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Assault by Circuit City Store Director.... UPDATED 12/22 - going on the radio
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Posts: 514  Registered: Apr 2003
manoosie

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 10:12 AM

this is sweet, burn the cc manager at the stake!


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Posts: 1597  Registered: Oct 2003
solarspin

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 10:18 AM

. they would rather pay you than say sorry. I have kids that would skip candy for a year rather than say sorry to their own brother for even a simple accidental stubbed toe. Saying sorry touches the brain core wrong for some creatures.


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Posts: 5973  Registered: Dec 2000
jayK

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 10:21 AM

solarspin said:

. they would rather pay you than say sorry. I have kids that would skip candy for a year rather than say sorry to their own brother for even a simple accidental stubbed toe. Saying sorry touches the brain core wrong for some creatures.

Interesting you bring that up...there was a commentary on NPR yesterday about how showing remorse makes it easier for your victim to forgive you. Have a listen if you're interested.

http://www.fatwallet.com/redirect/bounce.php?http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4231906


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Posts: 118  Registered: Jun 2003
liquidh2o

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 10:46 AM

undefined, I applaud you for handling the situation the way you did, and keeping your cool under the circumstances. In a perfect retail world where corporate greed is not at the root of business, the people working in these retail stores would wish there were more shoppers like you.

I speak as both a customer and as a husband to a wife who works retail when I say that this isn't just an isolated problem, nor is it just happening on the retail side of things.

I agree there are poor retail workers, my wife would attest to it as well. People often choose these jobs because of their availability, but too often pay no attention to the type of work and high level of stress that comes with it. Couple that with mediocre pay and you have taken away the majority of a retail workers motivation and thus the high turnover rate that's found in the retail sector. Under no circumstances is any of this an excuse for poor and rude behavior, and in no way should it be tolerated within a retail chain.

Incidents like this should be a wake up call to retail chains to tighten up their hiring process so that they hire the motivated individuals and those with the right attitude to handle situations properly. Truth be told it seems that the corporate side of retail is more concerned with just getting the work side of things done so that they can make their profits. Neglected are the hiring and training process, and what you see on the sales floor are the results of that.

Not only is the hiring process neglected, but the process of getting rid of an employee is not as simple as up and firing an individual. For instance, in my wife's retail chain, there has to be reason for firing, sufficient proof, and what we call a "paper trail." This process can be long and drawn out, especially when other employees don't make the effort to monitor their peers.

I can only guess why these things aren't being corrected, and if I were to guess I would say because of the time and money it would cost to correct these glaring problems, it is easier and less costly to just have a high turnover rate of employees.




Now, on to the other side of things. There is a misconception in America of the role of workers in a retail chain, and there's also the growing problem of customers showing less and less respect for the retail chains they shop in and the people who work in them.

I can see just from this forum that a majority of shoppers are willing to raise their voice, to verbally badger a salesperson if it means they will get a better deal. Shoppers are not afraid to abuse store policies or price mistakes. While this to me is not the biggest problem, it is one that contributes to the stress level that's associated with working retail.

From my wife's recollections and my own personal experience working in retail, it is not uncommon for customers to open sealed items in store, and leave them there like that. I've seen adults let their children pull things off the shelves and scatter it on the floor, and then just walk away. Shoppers also try to swap a more expensive item into a lower priced items box. I've also seen adults break things, and purposely try to hide it or cover it up. There are the customers who think that a retail store is their palace and that the workers their slaves to do their bidding. My wife once had a lady tell her to go get items for her and to help her carry it to the cash wrap (mind you this lady had a cart(empty) and was perfectly capable on her own).

I have lost track of the times my wife has come home in a down trodden mood due to the verbal abuse she received from customers. There are times when they have just walked up and started yelling because of a previous experience in another store in the chain, and then tell her it's her JOB to make it up to her.

To me, I think this is just as big of a problem as retail workers being rude. One contributes to the other and the tension mounts.

There is also an association being made in stores of those who are thrifty, and looking for the best possible deals to those who are rude, steal, manipulate and in general are at the core of a retail chains problems in store. Best Buy is not the first retail chain to make this assumption, however they are the first to take action to do something about.

I believe a majority of the Fat Walleters share the same good souled nature as undefined, but that distinction however is not seen nor cared about in stores. Retailers are connecting the dots and drawing their own conclusions about the attitude and behavior of the thrifty saver shoppers that walk through their doors. I just hope, much as the retailers should step up to raise the bar in hiring/firing and training practices, that fatwalleters try to raise the bar themselves and distinguish themselves as not just thrifty deal shoppers, but also respectful and good natured shoppers.



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Posts: 1261  Registered: Mar 2003
undefined

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 10:51 AM

liquidh2o said:

I just hope, much as the retailers should step up to raise the bar in hiring/firing and training practices, that fatwalleters try to raise the bar themselves and distinguish themselves as not just thrifty deal shoppers, but also respectful and good natured shoppers.



Excellent post. I could not agree more with your last point. The stores are only part of the issue, the shoppers are the other. When both can treat the other with respect and dignity the experience is enhanced for all involved.


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Posts: 540  Registered: Nov 2001
frogster

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 10:55 AM

undefined said:

I am going to say this again, hopefully for the last time.

I do not want financial compensation.

I want a resolution in keeping with each and every comment I have made:

1) Formal apology for the actions of the Store Director and Department Manager.
2) Formal reprimand / disciplinary action against the Store Director and Department Manager.
3) Assurance that the associate that tendered the sale is not punished for the mistakes of others.
4) Message / policy from corporate and implementation plan / training for their employees on how to prevent situations like this. This should cover informing employees on what their responsibilty is to the customer and to the store, and how to handle situations in such a way that they retain customers and refrain from civil or criminal activity. If such a policy already exists, all they need to do is devise an implementation plan to see to it that it is followed.

I do not want financial compensation.

I have also said, since this happened, that if legal ramifications are their fear I would waive my right to any civil action in exchange for the above 4 points. None of them involve paying me anything.

Lastly, Circuit City is not a party to the police incident report.



My guess is that they will not do 1, 2, or 4 for fear that someone else will use those apologies to sue them.


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Posts: 593  Registered: Mar 2001
Knives

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 11:07 AM

You'll get a 10% coupon at the most. The guy who yelled at you get's a promotion. LOL!

 Message edited by: Knives on 2004-12-17 11:08:07


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Posts: 3849  Registered: Nov 2003
Tazznum1

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 11:46 AM

Meh....nothing going to happen.


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Posts: 1573  Registered: Oct 2002
galawdawg

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 12:19 PM

I agree, nothing is likely to happen as OP is likely percieved as milquetoast by CC based upon his "list of demands" and his failure to take any real action.

Most corporations have in-house attorneys who will generally ignore "demand" letters or calls from pro-se "litigants". Unless the letter has the names of thirty people across the top or the corporation is properly served with a civil action, the complaining party is perceived as just that...a complaining party, and will be ignored. The best such a complainant can generally expect is a "sorry you were disappointed by your recent experience" letter and a coupon or token gift card.

JMHO!

 Message edited by: galawdawg on 2004-12-17 12:19:23


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Posts: 1276  Registered: Feb 2004
dairymtu

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 12:39 PM

galawdawg said:

The best such a complainant can generally expect is a "sorry you were disappointed by your recent experience" letter and a coupon or token gift card.

JMHO!



yup i think youre right. it'll take them a while before see any action against employer. in mean time they are investigating and probably will send u an apology letter and gift card or something


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Posts: 5897  Registered: Apr 2003
HotStuff2

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 12:44 PM

  1. Sue them.
  2. Get them to pay financial consideration.
  3. Donate the money to the local abuse shelter.

Problem solved. They have to pay, you don't get financial compensation, and a decent cause gets much-needed funds to continue to operate.


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Posts: 664  Registered: Sep 2002
cga

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 2:10 PM

Its interesting how this thread has sort of sailed through a stormy seabuffeted about by the winds of new contributors and then calming down for a bit. Thats usually how the best threads develop on FW and what has kept this one interesting. Theres a lot of piling on going on, too. Seems someone has to break the ice with a different thought before others will agree. Once again, thats how the most interesting threads usually develop.

I just finished reading all the comments after my first post. UndefinedI dont think you have much of a chance at getting CC to agree to your fourth demand, which basically amounts to a corporate wide change or amendment of employee policy, along with possible retraining. If youre lucky the miscreant might get successfully prosecuted and/or fired or demoted. CC may not even issue you an official apology.

In my opinion you are not going to change CCs policy. I suppose its possible, nevertheless, and frankly, if it happens this would be a gigantic feather in your cap. Most likely, since you categorically refuse to pursue or even consider financial compensation, and unless a mere apology, coupon, or similar band-aid offer from CC will satisfy you, your best chance for satisfaction may result from sources *outside* of CC. But perhaps youre already thinking along these lines.


 Message edited by: cga on 2004-12-17 14:11:52


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Posts: 274  Registered: Nov 2003
JK27

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 3:27 PM

I don't think you'll get any apology. Most settlement agreements include a non-admission of guilt clause ... to avoid further litigation. Remember a settlement agreement is supposed to end any/all litigation.

And I don't think you'll get CC to change their company policy -- especially nationwide. I have to believe this isn't a problem nation-wide and is just an isolated instance. My guess is that CC already has a policy (and training) that employees are not supposed to do the types of things that this employee did. Maybe you could get some assurances that that particular store would have some refresher/sensitivity/customer respect training.

Good luck ... whatever you decide to do. And keep us posted -- if you can. Most settlement agreements have confidentiality and non-disparagement provisions, as well. If we don't hear from you again, then we might assume that a settlement has occurred.

 Message edited by: JK27 on 2004-12-17 15:28:05


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Posts: 97  Registered: Apr 2001
demingized

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 4:02 PM

I believe this was an isolated incident although my local CC has been quite difficult recently. Frankly, I was hoping CC will survive BestBuy's superior performance because of BestBuy nasty customer service that's well known to the FW community. However, you still deserve an apology of some kind from Circuit City on behalf of the rude managers.




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Posts: 963  Registered: Sep 2002
brickhouse

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 4:10 PM

What a story.

I had a similar thing happen to me almost a year ago even though there was not physical contact. I went to CC for a harddrive deal that was advertised at Frys and FW peeps were PMing CC and getting a great price. I went to CC in Burbank CA. I went to the customer service desk because I did an online purchase for instore pickup. When I attempted the PM the associate said ok and began to adjust the purchase, unfortunately there was a manager looming near the register. The girl had trouble adjusting the price and the manager came over to "help". When he found out what she was doing, he refused to PM. I argued with proof of the website, newspaper, printed receipt, and even told them to call Frys. The manager refused to call saying that he knew the Frys manager personally and had already called on this. He also had an email saying not to honor this, regardless of their policy. We argued for 20 minutes with him getting louder and more heated, and not once attempting to look at or investigate my proof. I finally gave up frustrated and started to walk out when in came another FW person requesting the same deal. The manager started screaming we were both part of a theft ring because there was a guy earlier with the same request. He threatened to call the police if we did not leave immediately. Even though I was on my way out. I had never seen any of the other people trying for this deal that was completely legit according to their PM policy. I am sure it seemed strange the way people were just walking in for the same deal with the same proof, but to start accusing us of theft, it was completely nuts. I should have called corporate since this was a legit PM but I just vowed to never go to this store again. When I was at the door there was a huddle of about 6 employees all discussing what just happened. Where do they get these managers? I didn't get crazy or raise my voice even once, but I did argue in a non threatening way. Why this manager felt it ok to yell and accuse like he did shows how little CC trains their managers.

GJ holding that manager accountable for his actions, something needs to happen for his total lack of professionalism. I wonder what he would do if they were actually getting robbed?


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Posts: 336  Registered: Sep 2000
Roadrunner

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Date Posted: Dec/17/2004 4:14 PM

demingized said:

I believe this was an isolated incident although my local CC has been quite difficult recently. Frankly, I was hoping CC will survive BestBuy's superior performance because of BestBuy nasty customer service that's well known to the FW community. However, you still deserve an apology of some kind from Circuit City on behalf of the rude managers.



I would agree with you about BB but then after 5 bad experiences ... I was shocked by a good one and a BB CSRs simple act of kindness. I think they just like to keep me coming back guessing.