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MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:11:08 PM)
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So...where are the WMD?

Something I found very interesting:

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Administration officials strongly deny that they have a credibility problem. According to White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, the fact that Hussein may have destroyed some of his illicit weapons just before the U.S. invasion actually demonstrates the strength of the administration's case, not its weakness.

"They couldn't have destroyed them if they didn't have them," Fleischer said. "And just because it happened on the eve of the war, that proves what the president is saying about it in the months leading up to the war; that the real cause of insecurity and the threat that Iraq presented was that they had weapons of mass destruction."


then....

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But [Anthony] Cordesman said that at a minimum the situation raises questions about both the quality of U.S. intelligence on Iraqi weapons and the assertions of administration officials in the runup to the war.

Cirincione paints a much darker picture. He says the operational problems associated with destroying or transporting chemical and biological weapons make it almost impossible that Iraq could have rid itself of a large illicit arsenal in just days before the U.S. invasion.

"It tells you how serious the situation is when U.S. officials are starting to reach for some pretty far- fetched explanations for their failure to find the weapons they had identified so confidently at long distance before the war," Cirincione said.


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Some of the illicit Iraqi weapons apparently were destroyed during the 1990s, some just before or during the recent conflict, and some were moved out of Iraq, the official said.


What Iraq allegedly possesses, according to Pres. Bush:

Up to 25,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulism toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard gas, and VX nerve agent, and upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical weapons, and tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger (**FORGED DOCUMENT**)

What we have found of this titanic cache:

An astounding nothing.

And remember, in that 12,000+ page document, Iraq specified the locations of the destruction of banned weapons. They took the UN Weapons Inspectors there, and it was verified that weapons had been destroyed there. (yes, I give the whole story). The problem was that Iraq didn't have it documented so there were some holes in the situation.

I'm more pragmatic...there has been zero evidence to vindicate these claims after 41 days of coalition forces presence in Iraq, and 20 days of Iraq being under coalition control.

The Bush Administration wasn't patient with the UN Weapons Inspectors but they want us to be patient with THEM....besides, Resolution 1441 requires the UN Weapons Inspectors to verify the WMD, but we don't want them in. :confused

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:12:28 PM)
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it's an empire kiddo, we just live in it......

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:13:41 PM)
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My bad...I forgot to give the source of the quotes:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-womass273257242apr28,0,1894895.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:15:32 PM)
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shhh!!!!! do you want rumsfeld on your ass or something!? that man will tear you a new one and plant WMD in it.....

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:19:14 PM)
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Shit McDonalds has really screwed you people up havent they? Learn to have patience.

evil solrac
shut up carlos
(04-28-03 07:21:07 PM)
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Originally posted by Pinnacle
Shit McDonalds has really screwed you people up havent they? Learn to have patience.


patience.....? so in a few days they got rid of every single WMD component? hey i hope they find it but it sure throws a lot of doubts dont it? and for te record i dont eat mcdonalds.. ;)

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:21:36 PM)
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YOU said:

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Shit McDonalds has really screwed you people up havent they? Learn to have patience.


But I said:
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The Bush Administration wasn't patient with the UN Weapons Inspectors but they want us to be patient with THEM....besides, Resolution 1441 requires the UN Weapons Inspectors to verify the WMD, but we don't want them in.

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:21:58 PM)
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Originally posted by evil solrac
patience.....? so in a few days they got rid of every single WMD component? hey i hope they find it but it sure throws a lot of doubts dont it? and for te record i dont eat mcdonalds.. ;)





Its a country the size of California. Patience.

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:22:52 PM)
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Originally posted by MIMIC
YOU said:


But I said:










YOU thought: I gave a shit.


but I thought: I dont.

Meier
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(04-28-03 07:23:20 PM)
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A few days? Try months. The 'inspectors' managed to find less in many months than the US troops have been able to do in weeks.

Guess you guys didnt hear about the chemicals that were discovered as being dumped in the Euphrates river either?

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:23:42 PM)
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Originally posted by Pinnacle
Its a country the size of California. Patience.


so why arent the inspectors back in? the inspectors where there for over two months was it? and that marine unit has been there almost a month and still nothing of great substance.....

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:24:07 PM)
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Well, if you can't refute the facts, you are by all means welcomed to leave the thread.

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:24:48 PM)
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Originally posted by Meier
A few days? Try months. The 'inspectors' managed to find less in many months than the US troops have been able to do in weeks.

Guess you guys didnt hear about the chemicals that were discovered as being dumped in the Euphrates river either?



Wow...I can't wait to refute this: BRB to find the link

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:25:40 PM)
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Originally posted by MIMIC
Well, if you can't refute the facts, you are by all means welcomed to leave the thread.





Bring some facts then. Bush didnt want Europe to be patient with the U.S. in reality. He wanted you guys go to war when he wanted and you guys delayed him. Dont bring 1441 into this when the U.N clearly didnt want to enforce it in the first place.

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evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:25:45 PM)
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Originally posted by Meier
A few days? Try months. The 'inspectors' managed to find less in many months than the US troops have been able to do in weeks.

Guess you guys didnt hear about the chemicals that were discovered as being dumped in the Euphrates river either?



hmmph. we been lots of "stuff" lately..... hasnt meant much.....

Kuramu
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(04-28-03 07:26:13 PM)
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So the people who wanted us to give the inspectors months upon months to search for WMD now can't wait more than a few weeks for army guys to find them.

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:27:19 PM)
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Originally posted by evil solrac
so why arent the inspectors back in? the inspectors where there for over two months was it? and that marine unit has been there almost a month and still nothing of great substance.....









You mean Hans Blix who couldnt find shit? Or do you mean Hans Blix who would tell one version of the situation to the U.S? and another to the European press? I would trust a blind chimp before I would trust your so called inspectors which were nothing more than a prop

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:28:06 PM)
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So the people who wanted us to give the inspectors months upon months to search for WMD now can't wait more than a few weeks for army guys to find them.


but the inspectors are beter at this..... hell the army guys probably had the same damn training...... what are a small group of army men gonna find when a 100 isnpectors didnt find much of anything?

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(04-28-03 07:29:02 PM)
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so in a few days they got rid of every single WMD component?


I highly doubt Saddam and his boys sat around back in November and waited until the 48 hour ultimatum in March to start doing something.

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:29:17 PM)
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hmmph. we been lots of "stuff" lately..... hasnt meant much.....







yes tons of deadly chemicals poured into rivers doesnt mean crap to the people who oppose the U.S but spill some oil off the coast of Spain and its a ecological disaster according to the european press/tabloids.

Meier
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(04-28-03 07:29:50 PM)
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Originally posted by Kuramu
So the people who wanted us to give the inspectors months upon months to search for WMD now can't wait more than a few weeks for army guys to find them.


They would have been content to wait for years while Saddam brutally killed hundreds of thousands of more. To quote Sean Hannity, the Liberal Democrats are on the wrong side of history.. again.

Jshogouki
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(04-28-03 07:31:44 PM)
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"So the people who wanted us to give the inspectors months upon months to search for WMD now can't wait more than a few weeks for army guys to find them."

I think one of the problems is that the Bush admin said they knew where the WMD's(or at least some of it) were placed still can't find anything.If the Bush admin knew where the WMD's are, why is it taking so long to find :confused

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Cubsfan23
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(04-28-03 07:31:44 PM)
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Originally posted by Pinnacle
Shit McDonalds has really screwed you people up havent they? Learn to have patience.


Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:31:56 PM)
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Originally posted by evil solrac
but the inspectors are beter at this..... hell the army guys probably had the same damn training...... what are a small group of army men gonna find when a 100 isnpectors didnt find much of anything?





LOL You just admitted how useless the UN inspectors are. They didnt find anything becuase too many countries used them as agents to btoch the whole process. Tell me how else a two bit dictator from a two bit shithole managed to outsmart a well funded world organization for ten years? Reminds me of those three monkeys......

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:33:01 PM)
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LOL You just admitted how useless the UN inspectors are. They didnt find anything becuase too many countries used them as agents to btoch the whole process. Tell me how else a two bit dictator from a two bit shithole managed to outsmart a well funded world organization for ten years? Reminds me of those three monkeys......


maybe... or maybe there isnt anything to find.....

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:34:26 PM)
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Originally posted by evil solrac
maybe... or maybe there isnt anything to find.....





Fat chance of that happening. Dig up a better excuse for not admitting the U.S. is right and please play again.

INDIGOaLPHA
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(04-28-03 07:34:30 PM)
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Maybe all the Iraqi leaders took them with them when they went to Syria!!! :eek

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:35:08 PM)
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Originally posted by Meier
A few days? Try months. The 'inspectors' managed to find less in many months than the US troops have been able to do in weeks.

Guess you guys didnt hear about the chemicals that were discovered as being dumped in the Euphrates river either?



Ummm...

quote:

Euphrates Chemical Tests Said Negative

No Indications So Far That Chemical Found in Iraq's Euphrates River Are Illegal, Officials Say


U.S. Marines near the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriyah found what initially appeared to be suspicious chemicals in water samples from the Euphrates River, two defense officials said Friday.

Details were sketchy, but both officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said they knew of no indications that subsequent tests of the water had confirmed the presence of illegal chemicals.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030404_885.html

I'm sorry, you were saying?

Meier
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(04-28-03 07:36:38 PM)
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Oooh, imagine that, the Liberal side of the news media reporting what some 'anonymous' source has to say. :cool

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:37:10 PM)
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Originally posted by MIMIC
Ummm...


http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20030404_885.html

I'm sorry, you were saying?







No Indications So Far That Chemical Found in Iraq's Euphrates River Are Illegal, Officials Say













Look at the word illegal. Doesnt have to be illegal to be deadly. Have a drink of that water and let us know if legal chemicals cant kill you.

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:39:23 PM)
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Look at the word illegal. Doesnt have to be illegal to be deadly. Have a drink of that water and let us know if legal chemicals cant kill you.


So, if Raid was in the water, that justified our attack?

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:40:14 PM)
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hey the hudson river is pretty polluted too.... maybe WMD was dumped there......

Pinnacle
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So, if Raid was in the water, that justified our attack?






2 million gallons of Raid arent needed in a desert. If its used to kill people then yes. Can you get more wrong today or have you reached your daily limit yet? Im sure Saddam was just keeping millions of gallons of bug spray handy just in case the movie Starship troopers was a reality.

Spike Spiegel
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(04-28-03 07:42:17 PM)
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Re: So...where are the WMD?

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So...where are the WMD?
Wasn't that a question the Iraqi government was supposed to answer?

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:42:40 PM)
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2 million gallons of Raid arent needed in a desert. If its used to kill people then yes. Can you get more wrong today or have you reached your daily limit yet?


You said chemical weapons were in the Euphrates River.

I PROVED that it was not true.

And I'm wrong....where?

evil solrac
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(04-28-03 07:43:42 PM)
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because it's "liberal" media so it doesnt enter his brain.....

Pinnacle
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(04-28-03 07:45:31 PM)
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quote:
Originally posted by MIMIC
You said chemical weapons were in the Euphrates River.

I PROVED that it was not true.

And I'm wrong....where?






If you cant see how 2 million gallons of raid can kill people (i.e chemical weapon) then you are overlooking the obvious. Tell those guerilla fighters in south america that common legal chemicals such as bug spray cant kill people when its in large qauntities. Go right into columbia and tell those guerillas and the governemnts that pelt each other with those easy to make chemical weapons that they are wasting their time. Is word play all you got?

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Pinnacle
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quote:
Originally posted by MIMIC

And I'm wrong....where?








I love this part.......

INDIGOaLPHA
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So...where are the WMD?




They're in a van down by the river!!!

MIMIC
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If you cant see how 2 million gallons of raid can kill people (i.e chemical weapon) then you are overlooking the obvious.


You took that Raid reference too seriously...and the fact that you're using it as your argument is very sad.

While you're still on the Raid thing, the 500 tons+ of the sarin and whatnot aren't found....

MIMIC
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(04-28-03 07:49:42 PM)