Gaming Age Boards - OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...

Heh, i like how everyone is suddenly a professor of photography.

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2/15 10:40pm

017A,

I consider myself well versed in physics, and I have to say that I don't think the flag would flutter due to the sun rays. The amount of energy and momenta the photons transfer to the flag wouldn't cause it to flutter. Its just too relatively massive.
Photons can move electrons when they're isolated, but whole atoms and molecules interweaved into a flag? I'm not seeing it.

Oh, and damn, Gasara loves his Kommies. :)

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Hitokage

2/15 10:41pm

017A: The sun emits a full spectrum. Not one frequency but almost ALL frequencies. Not coherent light by any means. Therefore, you can't do a calculation on any single frequency because you would neglect all the other interfering waves as well. This is why the momentum transferred is at random, this is why the transfer mainly increases the internal kinetic energy and not the kinetic energy of the body as a whole.

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simplee

2/15 10:41pm

ALIEN,

I thought specifically while I was watching the show about the time those films were made.

In 1969 films were made of man landing on the moon.

In 1968 Stanley Kubrick made 2001.

It's no big feat to make film look grainy believe me. If anything, going BACKWARDS in film quality is a simple task.

2/15 10:41pm

Rip I'm afraid you'll have to read the thread because we have already covered all those points.

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Tella

2/15 10:43pm

About the flag -- maybe somebody farted?

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Hitokage

2/15 10:46pm

strider: THANK YOU

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2/15 10:48pm

I'm not talking about the grain. I'm talking about the movement and the apparent physics of each shot. Reality and special effects never look more fake that when it comes to movement. Everything in the lander shots react prefect. Even the flecks of relfective foil fly off in all directions exactly the way they would in a zero atmosphere (during lift off), low gravity enviroment. The dust kicks up and billows down prefectly as they walked through it. When they sped up the frame rate of the film, the limbs of the astronauts moved unaturaly fast.

One clue the camera is not under cranked in the movements of the astronauts arms. They move back and forth at normal speed, only the up and down motions of objects is slower because of the lower gravity. You can't fake shit like that and have it look believable. They try in every hollywood space movie and they fail every time.

Date Edited: 2/15 10:51pm (2 edits total) Edited By: ALIEN

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017A

2/15 10:49pm

I don't think the frequencies interfering with other frequecies actually happens. If that were the case,

1) The sun would be eminating a lot less power

2) We'd all have a really hard time tuning our radios.

If you throw a football in the air outside and we have radiation pressure acting on it, then interference probably doesn't play a big role when it comes to conservation of momentum. I still could be wrong, of course.

DCharlie

2/15 10:52pm

the photos...

does it not seem strange that astraunauts with cameras attached to their chest with no view finder managed to take such AMAZING photos????

i mean, you could have sent the worlds leading photographer up there, and he wouldn't have taken pictures this good - AND CONSISTANTLY GOOD.

Point chest... and click!
I know astraunauts are talented but....

Perhaps in revenge for the appauling U-571 film, the British should make a film about how we landed on the moon first...

*now i'm deliberately stiring*

simplee

2/15 10:53pm

Mike,

A and B are things I don't think one can reasonably comment on as the viewer doesn't know when and were those pics were taken, we just have to go on what the show tells us and in my mind that isn't enough.

As far as the crosshairs thing, I can easily see how NASA would doctor photos to make them look aesthetically pleasing for the newspapers so I can't see a sinister motive there.

I agree on the rest though, and to whoever laughed about people on these boards being photographic experts, I must say, yes, I know alot about film and exposure and the lighting that affects said exposure; If you don't buy it, fine.

Thompson

2/15 10:53pm

Monster, I'm not convinced. Like I said too many open ends. But the stuff about the probes. They would need to do alot more than that to prove the landing area.

Thompson

2/15 10:54pm

I'll attempt to answer you rip:

1) I wouldn't call it lying. They might have mislabeled a reel, or misplaced it. They're only human, and they still did all the archiving by hand.

2) I have no explanation for the pic of the LEM and its disappearance. The only explanation I can give is that the pic was doctored, as has been proven by the "C Rock" pic.

3) The cross hairs were messed up because NASA prabably did touch up the pics to make them look nicer, and the artist forgot to refill in all the crosshairs.

4) There is no atmosphere to deal with on the Moon. That's why all the pics were so crisp and detailed. Light travels in a pure straight line when reflected, it doesn't get distorted nor does it lose intensity as it does on Earth.

5) If there were several light sources to light the objects, how come every single object has exactly ONE shadow. There's not even a hint of a second shadow in any pic.

Date Edited: 2/15 10:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MonsterThrilla

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DCharlie

2/15 10:56pm

how come, even when in deep shadow, the american flag and "The United States of America" is visible on the landing module ?

2/15 10:57pm

DCharlie,

They took hundreds, if not thousands, of pics. Of course NASA only chose to release the nicest ones.

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Strider_Hiryu

2/15 11:00pm

I love how people continue to debate on pics which actually COULD have easily been doctored to be more press-friendly. Yet ignore the plain facts such as the contents of my last reply.

Hito: no, thank YOU for bothering.

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Thompson

2/15 11:03pm

Actually Strider I was going to respond, I have some just like that at the bottom of my yard..... no, really I do.

Thompson

Strider_Hiryu

2/15 11:04pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA prove it.

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2/15 11:05pm

Shhhhhh, strider. Do you want our debate to end? Paashaw with your "proof". 8-)

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DCharlie

2/15 11:06pm

if they took thousands of pictures....

....how did they change the film?

surely with GREAT difficulty.

BruceLee

2/15 11:07pm

what about one of the earlier points brought up about there being no sound from the rocket or engine, or whatever??

simplee

2/15 11:08pm

Damn that loggin just wiped two posts!

Oh well anyway, ALIEN,

Yeah I didn't pay as close attention to what you're describing as far as motion of arms and dust and other objects so I can't refute you there.

I have to say though that the speed changes were another convincing thing and they wouldn't have to overcrank to produce that, all that can be done in the editing room.

I admit, I had to double take when I saw what they did with the speed. It really looked like the weightlessness was faked with slo-mo.

2/15 11:08pm

Strider, you should have just stated the facts in your post. SOOOOOOOO, I'll do it for ya. ;)

1) There's a mirror that was left on the moon that NASA purposefully left behind for the sole reason of proving that they were on the moon. They have given scientists the exact coordinates (the moon IS like the Earth in that it has been given coordinates), and many unrelated scientists throughout the years have confirmed its existence. They shine a laser at it, and the laser shoots right back. Only a man made reflector placed for that sole purpose would produce those results.

2) Moon rocks. Geologists confirm that the moon rocks brought back are not of Earthly origin and they aren't meteorites (those oxidize as they fall through the atmosphere). They're 5 billion years old and have evidence of being bombarded by radiation.

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2/15 11:09pm

They didn't stay outside the entire time while on the moon. They did come inside. DOH!! Besides who said the space camera needed to be inside to change the film anyway. Filmcan snap on, filmcan snap off. Nasa should hire me.

Simplee I'm going now, but the sped up film certainly looked unnatural to me. They have used that undercranked film trick for years in movies. And it never EVER looked exactly like the lunar movies.

Like I said before, ther's only so much proof that can be gathered without being there yourself. At some point enough has to be enough.

What was it that detective said? The simplest answer is almost always true. In this case the coverup is the more complex answer. I vote for them actually going to the moon.

Date Edited: 2/15 11:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ALIEN

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simplee

2/15 11:12pm

Maybe we should call that Jamaican chick on TV who reads Tarot cards.

"Da cards dem, day never lie"