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ALIEN 486 posts486 posts  2/15 10:17pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Marty there were doctored photos on that show were someone have removed little chunks of the black grid used in the photo for refference. (job anyone could do with photoshop)

What makes you think everything in that show was represented correctly? A show like that would thrive on mis-quotes and 3rd party doctored photos.

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Hitokage 649 posts649 posts649 posts  2/15 10:17pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
017A: NO LIGHT DOES NOT EXERT ANY SIGNIFICANT FORCE ON YOU NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE. GO BACK TO PHYSICS CLASS.


Also, all of you are forgetting that it's not a perfect vacuum on the moon.

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opa-opa 2905 posts2905 posts2905 posts2905 posts  2/15 10:18pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
What I'm wondering is, if the whole moon landing was fake, why did they even bother to spend 15+ years and billions of dollars to build those huge Apollo rockets? Why even bother? They could have just launched some empty small rocketship into space and tell us that there are actually people in it when there wasn't.

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017A 73 posts  2/15 10:19pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Hitokage:

http://earthsky.com/2000/es000109.html
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opa-opa 2905 posts2905 posts2905 posts2905 posts  2/15 10:20pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
The only reason I would think the moon landing was fake, is the fact that these days it seems like even with our supercomputers we can't even launch a friggin shuttle without a ton of problems, I find it hard to believe that back in 1969 they actually had the technology to send a manned capsule billions of miles to the moon.

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simplee   2/15 10:20pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
OK ALIEN I getcha.

I suppose I DO need more to discount what has been accepted as historical fact but, on the contrary, do you accept all of the "official" history of the United States?

If so YOU are the one who is deluding himself.

For all the people who get all knee-jerk spastic over others who have the guts to question the authoritative view of history, I suggest reading Howard Zinn's "The People's History of the United States". It was referenced in the film "Good Will Hunting" and as the character said "THAT book will knock you on your f*ckin' A$$!"
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ALIEN 486 posts486 posts  2/15 10:21pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Oompa that's the whole point. They wouldn't do that. They actually did go to the moon. The coverup is actually more complex than actually going to the moon itself.

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MonsterThrilla 727 posts727 posts727 posts  2/15 10:22pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Thompson,

Its apparent that you refuse to believe that this really happened. I don't know. I've presented you with evidence straight from NASA and you twisted it to fit your hoax theory. You didn't even quote the whole sentence:

"The main objectives of the Surveyors were to obtain close-up images of the lunar surface and to determine if the terrain was safe for manned landings."

Its in plain English. Ehh, whatever mate...


Marty,

I think it was just a case of mistaken archiving. Mislabeling, misplacing, etc. That could account for the shot of the hill with one astronaut and then the shot of the same hill with two. But I do admit, those two shots of the valley area, one with the LEM and the other one completely bare and untouched, well, I just don't know. One could have been doctored. But I did get a shiver down my spine when I saw that...

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Hitokage 649 posts649 posts649 posts  2/15 10:24pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
017A: What you are forgetting is that you need to have an intense and COHERENT bean of photons to push an object to any significant degree. Light from the sun is not coherent. Momentum is transfered at random directions in random magnitudes. The only significant effect of such radiation is heat, caused by the increase in random kinetic energy from it.

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Gasara 1288 posts1288 posts1288 posts1288 posts  2/15 10:25pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
I have just one question. If it was fake then why nasa bothered to 'stage' all the other missions, when noone watched them anymore?
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simplee   2/15 10:26pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Did I mention that this board ROCKS?

I don't know another board on the net with as many intelligent debators who argue without digressing into stupid infantile insults.
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ALIEN 486 posts486 posts  2/15 10:26pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Certainly not simplee, but one has to draw the line somewhere. And I've seen what hollywood can do with the best special effects money can buy today (which is about a million times what the best money could buy back then). And special effects pale in comparison to the simplest scene of reality as seen through the camera.

I'm saying right now, we couldn't fake the lunar landing as real as there are represented on that old dusty film even if all of hollywood combined. At least not yet.

Give us a few years and maybe computer graphics will be able to do it.

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MonsterThrilla 727 posts727 posts727 posts  2/15 10:26pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
simplee,

I've read that book. Or parts of it at least. I know American history like the back of my hand. And because of that, I can truly say that the Apollo missions were, and probably will always be, the single greatest service to humanity America as an individual nation will ever accomplish.

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Tella 227 posts  2/15 10:28pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Can we please move on to something less controversial like the Warren Commission findings.

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Hitokage 649 posts649 posts649 posts  2/15 10:31pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
simplee: I'm just acting asinine because I'm upset that I need to be arguing down to this level at all. Talk to me about quantum theory or something, and I'll be much much more rational with you. ;)

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Death 264 posts264 posts  2/15 10:32pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Marty,

The two images I thought were odd were the one with the LEM sitting there with the hills in the background and then one without it and the same background. WHAT the HECK!?

I believe we landed on the moon, but that was a bit odd I must say.


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simplee   2/15 10:32pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
opa-opa said:

"why did they bother spending 15+ years and billions of dollars to build those huge rockets"

I approach the other side with as much skepticism as the conspiracy side.

Number one, anyone paying close attention to the political going's on in this country could tell you how the defence industry is a prime way to funnel public taxpayer dollars into the hands of the wealthy. Most of our defense budget (and the so called "foreign aid" budget) is nothing more than state subsidies to high technology firms.

I can see the point of spending all that money; It funnels money into the hands of the people who own the congress AND it convinces the Soviets that the game is over.
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017A 73 posts  2/15 10:32pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Hitokage:

If you are still not convinced, I think we can calculate how much momentum is transferred from the sun to the flag. That is if you want. As far as the flag on the moon is concerned the 8 light-minute distance from the sun to the moon is as good as infinity if you want something of beam behavior.

This is what we'll need:

1) The amount of energy that the sun is generating.

2) The relationship between a photon and energy and momentum. This is the one that might be hard to find. I don't think I have any of my old textbooks on me right now.

I'm sure you know how to do the rest from here on. I'm pretty sure this will work. Like I said, I'm not too bright. This might even prove that you're right. Who knows?

EDIT: We'll also need some sort of frequency number on the radiation coming from the sun. If we try and take into account all frequencies, it might get a little hairy. I also won't know how to do it, either.

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Death 264 posts264 posts  2/15 10:34pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
The part that made me laugh was when they introduced Area 51. You knew it was coming. Any good conspiracy theory involved Area 51. :) Cow mutilation, crop shapes, urinary infections, etc...


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Tella 227 posts  2/15 10:35pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Frick the moon. What about Mars? I mean the day some one actually goes there will people be like--Real or ILM (Industrial Light & Magic)? Besides what's the deal with the face and pyramids there? I mean who cares if there is water frozen a jillion feet below the surface if there is proof of a civilization once there.

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simplee   2/15 10:36pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
I haven't seen you be asinine Hitokage!

I'm lovin' this
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Gasara 1288 posts1288 posts1288 posts1288 posts  2/15 10:36pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
"I can see the point of spending all that money; It funnels money into the hands of the people who own the congress AND it convinces the Soviets that the game is over."

But you simply have to just be stupid to pull off a stunt like that during the peek of the Cold War. The ruskies would have surely overan this country if it were fake. I'm sure that they monitored the Apollo program and the capsules very closely. They could have easily tell if it was fake or real.
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ALIEN 486 posts486 posts  2/15 10:37pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
People actually went to all the trouble of building a rubber alien dummy and releasing a film saying it was a real autospy.

I think a couple of doctored photos aren't out of the question.

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RipnYouOff   2/15 10:37pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Questions : Someone please read these:
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A) Can everyone agree that NASA lied at least once? The show showed two clips one taken one day...and another nasa claimed to be miles away. Obvoiusly the same landscape. Any explination for that, or is that damning evidence that NASA has been less than truthfull?

B)Another example of this was one NASA photo w/ lunar equipment in it(Im talking about the peice left over from the lunar lander)...and another picture without it, in the same landscape. Impossible. Is there an explination for that?

C)The cross hairs...the cross hairs were in the camera itself, so they should have fully been over everything in the pics. But some were behind some objects, proving that some photos were edited. Any explination for this?

D)The lighting in the photos are damning enough for me. Does anybody go skiing? Ever take a photo in backlight? The person you are shooting is a black figure when you get the pic back. "Well, the moons reflection lit them". If the reflection from ski slopes is not enough to light up a subject on earth...the moons grey reflection wouldn't be enough up there...especially as well as they were lit.

E)This is very important. When the astronaut stepped into the COMPLETELY BLACK SHADDOW... HE WAS STILL LIT. IF THERE WAS ENOUGH TO LIGHT HIM UP...THE SHADOW WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN COMPLETLY BLACK!

Somebody, please...disprove these points. Point A...simply cannot be disproven, there is no excuse for that one. Thanks,

Mike

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Strider_Hiryu 921 posts921 posts921 posts  2/15 10:39pm RE: OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...
Speaking of ROCKS, what is your rebuttal against the genuineness (yes that is the correct word) of the moon rocks they brought back?

Check here: http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/proof.html

And thats just one page of this site: http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

which is pretty good.

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