Gaming Age Boards - OT: The moon landing probably *was* fake...

2/15 9:28pm

Dominus is going to kick himself for missing all this.

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Thompson

2/15 9:31pm

I was saving that one Simplee.... drat.

Thompson

2/15 9:31pm

Well they DID take shots of the lunar surface before hand, and from that they concluded that there was solid material close to the surface. I know that much. Did they send a "rover-type" vehicle that dug into the surface before that? I'm not so sure, but now that I think about it, it would have been logical to. They were able to send astronauts into orbit around the Moon in Apollo 9, but they didn't actually touchdown (Christmas of 1968).

You know what? I have to do research and I'll get back to you...

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2/15 9:31pm

It's just a guess but there wouldn't need to be an uneven amount of light filling the shadow. the brighter surface of the spacesuit was because it was designed to be reflective to protect the astronaut from the heat of the sun. It appeared to be spot lighted only because it was reflecting light in a different and more intense way.

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2/15 9:36pm

Also simplee, don't you think your evidence is a little thin to discount pretty much history itself? Odd trick of lighting maybe, but goverment coverup?

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simplee

2/15 9:37pm

Again to ALIEN specifically....

To be honest, I've heard this theory about a faked landing many times and for a long time. I never gave it a second thought. I would've still watched the show just cuz I get a laugh out of goofy things but, someone on these boards said something that compelled me...

He said: "how can a flag wave when there is no atmosphere". I never even stopped to think of that. I thought back to the film footage I remembered and thought "my god! that's RIGHT!". I HAD to watch the show then!

I looked specifically for this evidence and I saw it. Uninterrupted video footage of a flag waving; If anyone taped the show go back and watch that footage. No one is holding the flag and it is waving.

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE in a vaccuum

017A

2/15 9:37pm

Are we forgetting that NASA sent up 10 Apollo missions before we actually got Aldrin and Armstrong on that rock?

2/15 9:41pm

Thompson,

Found what I was looking for:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/surveyor.html

The 7 Surveyor missions (1966-68) DID confirm that the lunar surface was in fact able to be landed on and launched from.

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2/15 9:47pm

Simplee,

How is it impossible? In a vacuum, the slightest movement affects everything that movement is in contact with. Like I said before, an astronaut walking by the flag would have caused it to flutter. Ok, the trembles generated by his footsteps would have gone through the flagpole and into the flimsy cloth. Because there is no air resistance, the wave would have traveled right through the flag causing it to ripple. We wouldn't see this on Earth because the air (which is matter) around the flag would have absorbed the energy.

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Iron-Knuckle

2/15 9:47pm

This thread is sickening. How can anyone have this much disrespect? Look and think about what you are typing. You sound like a bunch of Soviets.

2/15 9:48pm

The flag isn't going to stop waving the exact instance they let go of it. Even on earth an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted apon by an outside force.

The tension of the fabric would have stopped it from moving in a matter of moments. Watch a longer peice of film. See it motionless, and then move with no visable outside help (which includes the rocket blast of the take off) and then we'll talk.

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2/15 9:51pm

Thiller in all honesty I think they'd have to do a little more than just walk by the flag to set up a vibration that caused the flag to truely jerk. It might cause a measuresble movement, but not something that could be mistake for a breeze.

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017A

2/15 9:52pm

No one here has heard of radiation pressure?

Rainbow

2/15 9:52pm

How much time after the landing did they installed the flag?How close of the hot machineries was the flag?

Date Edited: 2/15 9:54pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rainbow

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2/15 9:53pm

ALIEN,

Maybe your right. But I think we both agree that the flag waving was NOT the product of there being an atmosphere when they shot the footage.

017A,

I haven't. Please elaborate. :)

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2/15 9:55pm

Radiation preasure again isn't going to cause violent flapping. I don't think there is a need to find a myterious cause for a flag to flap when it's desturbed by the astronauts.

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simplee

2/15 9:57pm

Now you're makin me think more ALIEN!

Yes, the white suits designed specifically to reflect light makes sense but, how much do you know about film?

Not to get too weird but, I've been studying film for some years now on my own in order to maybe someday realize my dream of being a director and from what I know, you need a LOT of light to illuminate a foreground figure when your background source (the friggen SUN for god's sake) is bright.

In the Alfred Hitchcock film "Suspicion" there's a shot of Cary Grant bringing a glass of water upstairs to his wife who he may or may not want to murder. To make the shot more sinister looking, Hitch placed a light actually INSIDE the glass to illuminate it and make it the center of attention in an otherwise very dark frame. Even within a dark background, he had to use a DIRECT light source to make that shot.

I KNOW that film will not expose adequately with diffuse light reflections off of whatever surface, whether it be the moon, or the earth or the white space suit, to light up that astronaut. I just can't accept it photographically, and, mind you, this is after I approached the show with LESS than an open mind.

I saw enough photographic evidence to convince me.

Like I said, I don't know much about space and gravity and all that, but godd@amn, I know film.

Chimaera

2/15 10:02pm

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/survpan.gif

<sar>AAAAAA!!!! NO STARS!!!!</sar>

...sigh...

"Dumber than a bag of hammers" comes to mind. Come on guys; I'm pretty sure even *Art Bell* doesn't believe this conspiracy BS.

Kudos to Alien and MonsterThrilla and the other voices of reason; I'm not sure I could have your patience. :-)

http://www.irccomputing.com/lp/DLUpdate33B/0500-B2.jpg
NO STARS!!
http://www.bikefreak.net/images/Jim_thorpe/jt08.jpg
AAH!! NO STARS!!!
http://www.kestan.com/travel/dc/nitemall/509WhHs.jpg
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

.....ad nauseum ;-)

Date Edited: 2/15 10:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Chimaera

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2/15 10:02pm

Still, can you really discount something this historic over a slightly bright fill light on an astronaut when you don't know the quality of the camera or the film used to take the shot?

Who knows how many pictures were taken up there that were utter crap. Nasa isn't going to be showing off the pictures that have the astronauts thumb in the frame (so to speak). They look over the 100's if not 1000's of photos and pic the opnes that came out looking great. Just like any good photographer would.

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Marty_Chinn

2/15 10:08pm

I certainly believe we landed on the moon but there was one thing in the show that had me wondering. They were showing landscapes that looked exactly alike in supposedly different locations. They even overlayed the pictures on top of each other to show a comparison and they looked pretty identicle. Even on one where they said they took a walk on a hill one day and then a walk on the other hill yet they landscape and the rocks were identical. How is that explained?

Hitokage

2/15 10:08pm

"MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS!"

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Thompson

2/15 10:08pm

Did those probes come back. Did they just use photographs. I mean the explanation would be like skating on a pond covered with ice, thats no way to check how thick the crust is & or the density. And what was the square meterege on those probes.

Plus what was the state of seismic (sp) technology i.e sound technology to confirm the depth & desnity of the surface. Explanations for a simpler time, I mean

"The main objectives of the Surveyors were to obtain close-up images of the lunar surface "

&

"In addition, Surveyors 3 and 7 each carried a soil mechanics surface sampler scoop which dug trenches and was used for soil mechanics tests and Surveyors 5, 6, and 7 had magnets attached to the footpads and an alpha scattering instrument for chemical analysis of the lunar material."

scratching the surface....aye.

And those modules have no drilling gear, goodness I'm starting to convince myself.... ...think.

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simplee

2/15 10:10pm

Geez, I have to keep logging in for every post, what the hell? anyway...

I understand where you're coming from MonstaThrilla but, I was SPECIFICALLY watching for the flag footage in this show and if you watched it closesly there's no way in hell that it's flapping was caused by subtle vibrations. It's clearly flapping. Not only that but it's flapping kinda violently.

I always take the devil's advocate position on wacky theories and I was thinking the whole time how each piece of evidence could be discounted, or classed in my mind as something I couldn't comment on but, that damn flag....

017A

2/15 10:10pm

Light (radiation) pushes on you. As far as I know, or can postulate (I'm actually not a very bright or knowledgable person), we don't feel it so much on earth because:

a) most of the radiation from the sun is reflected off the atmosphere

b) absorbed by it

I have no idea what kind of radiation numbers it would take to make a flag wave in space, but please keep in mind there is no atmosphere to keep the flag in place. Keep in mind that the sun is a giant fusion generator that is millions of times larger that the earth - volumetrically, and merely 8 light-minutes from the moon. I don't know how to perform the calculations on the light radiation, but I don't think it's out of the question that the flag is still moving as we speak.

Also, I believe it was mentioned earlier that the waves were initially caused by momentum transfer by the astronaut that put it there in the first place. This makes sense that it would maintain its waves because there is very little immediate mass to absorb the energy that is being caused by the initial motion. Basically, the major energy sinks that the flag has is the friction between the fabric and the rod that's keeping it up.

It's not that far out of an idea that the flag would cought on tape in motion in space.

I would just like to say at this point that I believe that the Apollo project was the most phenomenal <insert noun here> that mankind has ever accomplished. Ever.

I can't believe I wrote that. What a dork.

Rainbow

2/15 10:11pm

I don't think anyone will come with the perfect awnser because there isn't one.The flag moving could have been caused by many things.But they did land on the moon,if not, then why the sudden none interest in it?Why turning for a planet harder to reach,Mars?

If you've studied a bit in that area,some of the things they said in that 'Show' was hilarious.

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